That’s been my experience with phpBB as well, and on top of that I’ve
yet to get an answer to a question I asked on their forums.
The existing forum is a time bomb. It’s unsupported, and in my opinion,
unsupportable.
Additionally, not having the forum tied in with a single sign-on to the
bug tracker, module library, and wiki destroys much of the value of
moving site. Multiple sign-ons is a barrier which reduces participation
in our wiki.
There have been a few mentions of looking “blog-like”. (I don’t agree
that FUDForum looks blog-like. I can see why you might say that for
the Vanilla them I have installed.) It appears to be meant disparagingly.
I don’t understand that.
I would reorganize this somewhat: I haven’t decided myself yet whether
the default tab is useless and should be removed, or should just not
be the default. Search would be integrated with all pages, not on its
own tab.
I realize now that I’ve gone about this the wrong way—the look is too
tied up withe the functionality for you guys, so I’m not getting any
answers to the question I originally asked.
Modifying Vanilla themes is dramatically easier than doing the same with
phpBB. For example, it didn’t take long to make the discussions view
more compact. Compare
The modification I made to the test Vanilla theme displays the same
number of threads (50) in less vertical space than does the phpBB2 theme,
and with less visual clutter.
I don’t understand this. Joel, can you outline a worst-case scenario? I’ve been using it for years, the problems have been minor and when something has gone drastically wrong due to hosting provider cutting power, I’ve just restored the previous night’s backup and all has been good again. I’ve worked with the code too, it’s not hard to modify.
phpBB2 hasn’t been maintained since 2008. phpBB2 has a long history of
security problems. In the event of a serious problem, we could end up
with a compromised machine. Moreover, it will be up to us to find and
fix the problem. Cleaning up after being hacked and fixing security
vulernabilities in other software is not an efficient use of our time.
Such problems are less likely if we’re using something which is
maintained, and anyway we don’t have to spend our time devising fixes.
Running phpBB2 with PHP 5 has never been officially supported. I would
not be surprised to find that phpbb2 doesn’t even run with some near-
future version of PHP. This will be painful if it happens, and we won’t
have any advance warning. (New PHP pacakges come down the pipe every few
weeks to correct bugs and vulnerabilities.) It it is better to handle this
now at time of our chosing, rather than be surprised by it.
I tried one more time to get authentication to work with the current version of phpBB3, and had a lucky break with it over the weekend, so now I think its unlikely that we’ll need to change forums. I’m working on getting a working list bridge now.
Apologies for the delayed response, I was offline most of the weekend, in the country (it may as well have been Space!). If we could go with phpBB3 that would be excellent. I agree with you about V2 Joel re. upgrading for security purposes.
Progress report: We have an almost-functional list bridge for the new forum now. I might be able to finish it off by Monday, which means that there isn’t a lot of work left to do before the components of the new site are ready.
Ack, my weekend was clobbered by other obligations. I’m back to working on it now.
As of tonight, attachments may be sent from the forum to the list, which is something we don’t have with our old list bridge. Next to do is to make sure the post edits go out to the list, too.
The bridge now works in the list-to-foum direction (including attachment handling). It could use a little polishing, but it’s usable.
That is to say: This soul-sucking excursion into writing a list-forum bridge is nearly over. I hope I never again have to look at the source code for phpBB—it’s similar to what I expect archaeology must be like, except without any of the redeeming qualities.