Masking Counters in an At Start Stack

Howdy Gents,

I’ve got a tiny annoyance I cannot figure. How do I mask three specific counters so only the owning side can see them. They can choose only ONE of them from an At Start Stack, then must place that one counter into a holding box, still sight unseen by the opponent. At the end of the game both players must reveal what that “Strategic Choice” counter was (that’s what the single counter represents for both sides, each must choose a strategy to pursue and cannot change it throughout the game and must be revealed at the end to insure they followed that plan).

Problem I’m having is that the entire stack of strategic options (3 counters) must remain masked when one side or the other makes their choices from their respective stacks, and the one chosen from the stack must then remain masked, though in sight in the holding box on the map until the end of play. Presently I cannot get them to be visible only to their respective sides.

I’m not doing something right. Cannot figure what it is.

Baffled. If there are only three strategy chits and each side is to CHOSE one from the same stack, I presume, wouldn’t it be so that the side choosing as second would know exactly which counter the other side selected?

No, there are 2 stacks (6 counters). One Japanese stack, the other American. In each stack there are 3 strategy counters. Each player chooses one from their own stack and places it in the holding box for their side. The counter is held in the holding box and not revealed until the end of the game. At that point, the end of the game, the players count their victory points according to the strategy chosen. Then, of course, who ever has the greater number of VPs wins.

How about adding two decks + cards with Mask property + plain display style + Peek + draw specific card?

I’m going to make an assumption that there are 2 player sides (Japan and USA) that you are alternating between for the purpose of testing the counter drawing and mask ability.

Are you saying that you draw a counter as the USA side, place it somewhere, and then switch over to the Japanese side and find that you can still unmask it when you are expecting not to be able to? Can you post a picture of the Mask settings you’ve configured for these pieces?

I can’t say for certain if this is what you’re running into, but in some circumstances when you mask/unmask (I really hate this terminology the software uses, but that’s for another day) a piece, you become its “owner” by virtue of your personal module password. Unless you have the Mask settings right, if you merely switch player sides without changing your personal module password, you’ll still be able to mask/unmask this piece! So to really test properly, you would need to both switch player sides AND change your personal module password between saving and reloading.

Hmmm, hadn’t thought of that. I’ll get back to you.

The key portion of the Mask documentation:

“A piece with the Mask trait is “owned” by the player who masks it. If unmasked and masked again by a different player, the second player becomes the owner. Menu commands of traits hidden by a masked piece are not available to non-owning players. A setting in the Global Options determines whether or not non-owning players can unmask pieces.”

Howdy Gents,

Well, I’ve been unable to accomplish the task. Everything else is done. It’s an easy module for a simple game save for this one little trick, the three Strategic Choice Cards/Counters that I’ve placed in an At Start Stack. I just can’t get them to be masked from the opponent.

So, gents, what I’m doing is asking for a hand. Below is a link to the module in my DropBox. Might some kindly and enterprising person make this thing work for those six counters/cards (2 at start stacks) work the way described above? … .vmod?dl=0

After I see how you’ve done it maybe I will have learned something.

Thanks Much,

Here you go: … .vmod?dl=0

I’ve altered only the 3 Japanese counters for demonstration purposes. You had both a Layer and a Mask trait, which is over-complicated for what you are trying to do. This approach has only a Mask trait, but the functionality (revealing/hiding) is given the term “Flip”, as I’ve always thought it’s much more intuitive. You also have a “Peek” ability so that once counters are masked/flipped–showing only the back side to the opponent–the owning side can take a quick glance at it without revealing it to all.

This does have all 3 pieces begin face-up, so the Japanese player would select them all and choose “Flip” to hide them BEFORE making a selection and moving to the holding box. But once they are all face-down, the Allied player cannot flip them back over, which you can confirm by flipping them over as the Japanese player, saving and closing the game, changing your personal module password, then loading up the game and occupying the Allied player side.

Howdy Joel,

Thanks Much,

Have downloaded it and will inspect it to replicate the same for the Allied side.

Appreciate your work,

Howdy Joel,

I’ve duplicated your effort for the Allied side. I hope anyway. This looks like it works correctly. I’d like to see if a couple of the players here can get the same results with the Allied side. Again, stored in my DropBox … .vmod?dl=0

If this has the problem solved, then I’m done and can submit it to the publisher (Quarterdeck Games).

Thanks Guys,